shake downs like these get old ([info]shadow_shimmer) wrote,
@ 2007-09-23 22:07:00
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if i had someone else's voice
I just finished reading Susan Bordo's The Male Body: A New Look at Men in Public and in Private and I'm trying to process. (I'm re-reading her Unbearable Weight: Feminism, Western Culture, and the Body now.)

Her point in writing the book is to try, as a feminist concerned with the power (in a Foucualt-ian, post-structuralist sense) culture exerts over women's bodies, to see what result that power has on men's bodies and how we view them. Her thesis is simple: "Male scientists and philosophers have created a nearly unbroken historical stream of tracts -- philosophical, religious, scientific -- on women's bodies and their distinctive maladies and excesses, all linked to our reproductive systems and sexual organs. But they have been remarkably good at forgetting that men have a sex."

Alright, I can see some problems with that, but I'll leave it alone. She supports this with discussion of evolutionists and body-image specialists who ignore the existence of the penis, or at least its importance. She makes an excellent point when she challenges the perception that women aren't as visually oriented as men. Perhaps, she argues, we simply haven't been allowed to be. The uncomfortable truth, as Bordo would have us understand it, is that size does matter. Not just physically, but visually. Why else, she asks, would the human penis be as large as it is? None of our primate relatives have a penis proportionately as big. Why do we assume that the human penis was not meant to act as part some sort of male display?

I don't often get to use my degree in anthropology and so it's a bit rusty, but she's right about this. I remember entire lectures dedicated to rape as an evolutionarily sound strategy, the usefulness/uselessness of the female orgasm and to the evolutionary oddity that is the human penis in comparison to its primate cousins. But never anything about why the penis got to be so big. Again, when polled, women in the US (and some men who shall remain nameless) seem to find the penis unattractive. Bordo asks if this isn't a Western bias, and provides some proof that in other cultures size, appearance and the sensation of a particular penis with or without modifications (piercings, etc.) matters.

In any case, Western society has long been uncomfortable with the sight of male flesh of any kind, let alone below the waist. Although to be fair, Bordo admits, the appreciation (and objectification) of the male body has come in phases. Sword and sandal epics exposed plenty of male flesh in a surprisingly sexualized way: sweaty and bloody, often being whipped or otherwise tortured. Starting in the sixties, though, movies began to represent a new kind of masculinity: androgynous and angsty, reflecting actors' like James Dean and Marlon Brando's bisexuality. The seventies saw a backlash against the feminist movement that would carry into the eighties: angry, silent, teeth-gritting, grunting, gun carrying men like Clint Eastwood and later Bruce Willis, whose characters were defined by a subtle air of misogyny. These men were misunderstood by the women who passed briefly through their lives. The exception, Bordo maintains, was John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

A change occurs, according to Bordo, with the infusion of gay aesthetics into the culture in the early eighties thanks to Calvin Klein and his underwear ads. For the first time there were men on display who weren't muscle bound freaks, squaring off with us in a contest of dominance. These men were reclining, or leaning, or standing with their heads bowed, willing to to be looked at, subjected to the female (or male) gaze.

There is a price to be paid for this. Once men realize they're being looked at, then they have an image to maintain and beauty to preserve. This leads to the same problems, Bordo almost reluctantly admits, that women face (on a smaller scale) in regard to eating disorders and related problems.

She also address male anxiety in regard to women. As culture idealizes/objectifies women, she argues, they become unreal to men and therefore unapproachable and objects of anxiety and sometimes anger or even rage. She uses the case of rapist Eldridge Cleaver and his book, Soul on Ice to dig deeper into this issue, as well as race and sex. This is a dicey subject at best, but she has some good points when she talks about impotence and the fear of impotence that drives the Viagra industry.

(As an aside, Margaret Cho comes at this from a different angle with her comedy, demanding that if insurance companies cover Viagra then they should cover morning after pills. A more realistic analogy I've heard would be to consider addressing or treating women's sexual fulfillment/dysfunction on the same level as men's, but I doubt that we'll ever see that happen. Our society is hyper-aware of male virility and sexual function and completely ignorant of women's. Bordo, I'm sure, would explain this as an issue of fear of female power, and I'm not sure that she would be wrong.)

I agree with her up to this point, and again when she talks about the racial aspects of how we perceive male sexuality (she goes into painful detail regarding Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill), and I also have no problems with her section on phallic imagery. As she closes the book, however, I feel like she loses the plot a little. She spends a great deal of time on literary criticism of Lolita, and then compares the book (unfavorably) to the movies. Her point here is clear: the movie adaptations of Lolita both make Lolita into more of a seductress than a victim and that disgusts her. It's a valid point, but what it has to do with the male body and our perceptions of it, I'm unsure. It feels as if she's reverting and talking about male privilege instead.

Disregarding Lolita, Bordo's arguments resonated most with me when she talked about the myth of women as less visually oriented. This is simply because of my time spent in fandom. The old idea that men tend to judge women on appearance and women judge men on status loses something when dragged through fandom muck. Just consider the appeal of Sam and Dean. They are pretty, first and foremost. They occasionally show skin. Also, they are emotionally accessible. They own nothing but a (phallic) car and have no status as our society reckons it. I've also noticed in SPN fic that there is a lot of attention paid to dicks. Is this the product of trying to write from a deeply masculine perspective? Trying to capture the POV of someone we imagine is comfortable with his body? Or is that we are comfortable imagining his body? All of it. And we find all of it attractive?

I feel like I had more to say about this, but I saw Eastern Promises earlier tonight and I can't get the image of Viggo, covered in vaguely cheesy tattoos but otherwise naked (like, cock and balls all over the place) and bloody on a bath house floor, out of my head. It's not pleasant, but I guess it does relate. Viggo's nude and semi-nude scenes in the movie were meant to shock, not to arouse.

Which makes me curious. What scenes in (straight) movies show you male flesh in a way that is specifically intended to arouse you in the same way that female flesh is almost always shown -- even in death?

Yeah. I'm done.




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[info]grammar_glamour
2007-09-24 05:03 pm UTC (link)
consider addressing or treating women's sexual fulfillment/dysfunction on the same level as men's, but I doubt that we'll ever see that happen

I think part of it stems from the mystery surrounding the female orgasm and female pleasure in general. Medically speaking, how would you treat female sexual dysfunction or fulfillment? It couldn't be done through something like Viagra.

What scenes in (straight) movies show you male flesh in a way that is specifically intended to arouse you in the same way that female flesh is almost always shown -- even in death?

I don't know about death, but in life, Daniel Craig is pretty much set out like a prize bull at the state fair during various points in Casino Royale. There are a couple scenes in Fight Club where Brad Pitt is just there to be sexy, but it's debatable as to whether that could be considered a straight film. Interestingly enough, there are a couple scenes in American History X that are totally confusing. Like the scene toward the beginning with the flashback to Derrick beating the Black guy up, he stands up and he's so sexy and on display, yet covered in foul Nazi tattoos. Then at the end, when he's in the shower (NOT the prison scene, because prison rape is not sexy under any circumstances) and there is water cascading all over him. It's meant to be dramatic, but the messages get a little mixed. Similar, it seems, to Eastern Promises. To put it in Lolcat: i dun c wut u did therr.

Interesting point about the male penis as a sort of mating display, too. We can add it to the list of primate mysteries, like the red baboon ass.

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[info]shadow_shimmer
2007-09-25 02:23 am UTC (link)
It couldn't be done through something like Viagra. No, probably not. But what about the perceptions that nothing NEEDS to be done about it? Have you seen/read I'd Rather Eat Chocolate? I don't remember who its by, but this is a woman who states flat out that she would rather eat chocolate than have sex -- not because of some hidden trauma, but because she just doesn't like it very much. She chronicles how this problem (and the ridiculous solutions that she and her husband concoct to deal with it) almost lead to their divorce. It's all very self-effacing, chic-lit-lite, but her conclusion is rather shocking in its anti-feminist stance: what if women just don't like sex? What if we really are satisfied by food and shopping and tv just as much as by physical intimacy?

Good point about Daniel Craig. The torture scene in Casino Royale could almost be compared to all the whippings/beatings meted out in the sword and sandal genre. Same kind of presentation of male sexuality. I think Christian Bale in the newest Batman was meant to be eye-candy. Especially the push-ups scene.

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[info]lastcatastrophe
2007-09-25 12:03 am UTC (link)
This whole post fascinated me so much that I want to go out right now and get that book right now.

Bordo's arguments resonated most with me when she talked about the myth of women as less visually oriented.

Slightly off-topic, but this reminded me of an excellent essay by Martha C. Nussbaum, "Objectification", which explores the ways in which sexuality leads to objectification women (and men, it's implied but not really addressed) and whether this is inherently a bad thing (not always, Nussbaum concludes; in fact, it's decidedly neccesary). It's sort of a feminist stance against feminists who are anti-pornography, if that makes any sense. I read it in the Fourth Edition of Philosophy of Sex, which is really excellent.

I've also noticed in SPN fic that there is a lot of attention paid to dicks. Is this the product of trying to write from a deeply masculine perspective? Trying to capture the POV of someone we imagine is comfortable with his body? Or is that we are comfortable imagining his body? All of it. And we find all of it attractive?

A lot of good and difficult questions. I tend to think it's a little column a, little column b. I think in some ways it's very liberating to use the voice of someone (a man) who has been given permission by society to experience himself as a sexual being, to look at and own and enjoy his sexuality as something normal and appropriate. I think as women, we enjoy participating in a world where sex is in the forefront, where sexual appetites are expected and not a source of anxiety. Of course, this libery that belongs to men in reality comes with its own limitations and anxieties, and I think we like that, too; I think we like turning their worlds upside down. I think in some ways, the homosexual male experience (especially the stereotypical fanfic, straight-but-hot-for-your-same-sex-friend) echoes our own experience, the way society permits women to be sexual within the bounds of strictly drawn rules.

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[info]shadow_shimmer
2007-09-25 02:31 am UTC (link)
I think in some ways it's very liberating to use the voice of someone (a man) who has been given permission by society to experience himself as a sexual being, to look at and own and enjoy his sexuality as something normal and appropriate. Yes! Well put. However, I wonder -- and this is something that Bordo hints at but never fleshes out as much as I'd like -- how many young men anymore are still able to see their sexuality as something normal and appropriate, as you say? Personal experience has taught me that men are becoming less and less at ease with their bodies. They are unsure how they relate to them, and how to use them in relation to women (impotence, social anxiety, sexual anxiety, etc.)

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[info]lastcatastrophe
2007-09-25 12:07 am UTC (link)
What scenes in (straight) movies show you male flesh in a way that is specifically intended to arouse you in the same way that female flesh is almost always shown -- even in death?

I'd say that Ewan McGregor is a pioneer in that area. Seriously.

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[info]shadow_shimmer
2007-09-25 02:31 am UTC (link)
And I would most definitely agree. :P

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[info]zagzagael
2008-08-18 02:56 pm UTC (link)
A very, very nice summation and analysis! Much food for thought here and I think we're in agreement because I disagree with Bordo's false premise that the female gaze has somehow, in some way, just surfaced in Western Culture. It hasn't. The female gaze has always been part and parcel of sexual attraction - it's this idea that women focus on status that is NEW evolutionary-wise. And that is something that bears closer examination because it is a development encouraged by men who are not sexually attractive via the female gaze. Women are visually driven - we love to devour the male body visually and we also enjoy looking at the female form. Victorianism - at least in the Western world - stifled the "gaze" for both sexes and the 20th Century had to work overtime negating much of Victorian influence, especially in concerns to healthy sexuality. Just now with the dawning of the 21st Century have we begun to reap the benefits of diligant cultural work.

A side note here - far more prelevant in regards to not being "allowed" to be viewed by the "female gaze" moreso than the male body is the male in fighting posture. And this fits in with your query in regards to film - we are encouraged as viewers to be titillated by men swinging their fists on celluloid and that viewing does meet some primitive brain need because we are discouraged from the same titillation when the fighting is happening outside on the street.

Jane Campion allows for the female gaze in many of her films.

I have heard Cho's statement, and also question most Health Insurer's policy that birth control pills can only be re-filled four days prior to the previous month's end. Organizations such as Planned Parenthood have fought against this and will provide a year's prescription at one time, but the same Insurer that restricts the filling of BC will endlessly fill Viagra. (And discussion of Viagra and the Fear of Impotency and the Ageing Penis is for another post. )

Anywho, found your great entry via a link in a personal journal - glad I followed it. Nicely stated and again, good brain food here.

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